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Syntax. Welcome to Syntax. Welcome to Syntax. 1,000 episodes. Here we Yarn. Syntax number 1,000. We're live streaming the whole thing. We got Scott here. We got myself here. We actually have the whole team here. We got an awesome episode planned for you, so don't go anywhere. We Scott some fun history on the podcast. We've got some stats about the episode. I built a bunch of those really fun supercut clips, which I think that'll be an episode in itself on building that because that was so cool. But welcome, Scott. Congrats on a thousand.

Oh, Wes. Congratulations, man. Wow.

Man, in 2017, did you imagine? 1,000 episodes, whole team of people.

What a cool, cool thing this has been so far.

Pretty, pretty nuts. So today, we're gonna get be going through all of that stuff. We're gonna introduce the team, go through some of the history. We even I dug up the Google Doc that me and Scott on 04/01/2016, we sort of just banged our heads together as to what a good podcast would look like. And, I I pulled it up, and we're gonna go through it together. So let's get on into it. First of all, let's let's bring the team on and, introduce everyone. It's not just Scott and I. We yap, but, there's much more talented people behind the scenes that make this thing work.

Yeah. So the, first person that joined the Syntax team was actually someone who worked with me on Vercel up tutorials, and that is Caitlin Bloom. Welcome to the show, Caitlin.

Hi, guys. Congratulations on 1,000.

That's crazy. Yeah. I'm also I'm kinda dying at the fact that the Notion doc was created on April Fool's Day.

It wasn't Notion wasn't even a thing back then. I don't think Notion was a thing. This is a Google doc. But, yeah, it it was all that at April Fool's Day. Were you guys, like, is this gonna be real? 01:08PM.

The funny thing is that it took over a year from the Scott document until we actually put the first podcast out. It was over a year of us just, like, mulling it over and being like, we should do it. You should do it. And, like, that's that's kind of the trope JS everyone's like, we should start a podcast. Start a podcast. You guys know she did it, and they're here. That's so cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool to be a part of it. There really is.

Yeah. We're so happy to have you. Caitlin is the marketing manager over at Syntax. She did the same thing for Vercel Up Tutorials, and, it was kind of a whirlwind to get you on the team. We're gonna talk more about that later. Next on the show though is, our amazing producer, Randy Rector.

Randy was the Hey.

Fourth person to join the Syntax team and

made a huge impact right away. Because before Randy, there was no video. So, Randy, do you wanna introduce yourself? Yeah. Well, first of all, congrats on the thousand episodes. This is huge. I think I joined the team at 07/2020.

It was the Jen Simmons Node. No pressure. The first one that I came on to edit with you guys.

Yeah. Yeah. That was your first one, and that was that was a huge episode for us because Apple is a tough nugget to get people to to come on. And that was a big people got really mad that we brought somebody on from Apple because everybody hated Apple, that that they still do. But, man, that was hard to get Jen on, and we're like, hey, Randy.

First Node, big one. Node problem. Great great process joining the team. Honestly, it's it's a lot of fun because, like, you guys had a lot of systems in place that that you were pretty comfortable with, but you also had this, like, total open, just just do whatever makes the podcast sick. And I came in, I at first, I was like, like, I feel like there's no like, they don't have any direction for me. I don't know if they, like, like what I'm doing, but you guys are just so chill with the, like, make the podcast sick. So is But that was that was part of the hiring process, though, is that we interviewed so many people, and we were essentially just, like,

you tell me what to do.

Yeah. Yes. Like, we want somebody to help us figure out how to make this thing bigger and better and whatever. And, like, Scott and I know, like, web dev and and whatnot and and creating content, but we really needed somebody who would tell us what to do. And that's why we landed on Randy because he Scott tells us exactly what to do, and I love it.

I appreciate it. It's just it's nerve wracking coming in when you got, like, 700 episodes, and you're like, tell me what to do. And I'm like, you guys are doing a great job already.

We had no video. We had no Yeah. We Wes yeah. We were just kinda doing it. And and that was the funny thing is that the hardest part about transitioning to a team of of folks was, like, Wes and I were largely working on syntax, you know, a couple days a week just recording and and then editing and preparing and stuff like that. But he and I are both maybe less structured. So, like, bringing on people JS, like, having to add structure. How do you add structure without killing the vibe? Yeah.

So, like, like, ten minutes before this live stream, CJ JS, like, so what are we gonna do? And Scott and I are, like, like, we have we have a huge document of ideas and notes and stuff. And then usually usually, what happens with each of the podcasts is we spend anywhere from like, we spend our whole week researching and learning and whatever. But then, like, the actual notes as to how the podcast will be approached is usually between forty five minutes to three hours depending on what the the podcast looks like. And we kinda just have a bunch of demos ready and and a bunch of stuff to go towards, but we are a little bit more off the cuff than

what some people would like. Well, I think that's one of your guys' strengths. Right? That's why I've been lost you guys, because it's just a couple guys right now who happen to have a podcast. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I guess that that's a good introduction to the fifth member of the team, CJ CJ Reynolds.

He joined our team as a, well, YouTube expert and content creator. CJ, what's up?

Hello.

Not much. Yeah.

I don't know what to say. I I'm excited to be here.

I I think, if we're talking about, like, how I got onto the team, I I had to interview as a process. I think I had imposter syndrome for, like, at least the first six months of, like, do I even belong here? Because I used to listen to Syntax myself on my commute.

So, yeah, to join and then be able to make my own videos. I think initially, you guys hired me. It was, like, dive into topics that are on the podcast, so I did a lot of that. Now I'm doing a lot more of my my own stuff, like, what I'm interested in. But yeah. Hello.

Everybody loves CJ the most.

If you go into the comments, everybody says CJ wins. Even the videos where CJ isn't in.

Yeah. It's a new Everyone says CJ wins. But, no, we we interviewed quite a few people for CJ, and, like, it was very clear that, like, CJ would, like, had Node his Right? Like, he was he's he's technically very capable. You can see that when he kicks our butt in in all of the coding competitions. Right? Yeah. But he also, like, knows how to explain things well, like, get his his thoughts across, and and also, like, editing as well. Like, often CJ will jump into a video and be like, let me just add little zooms and stuff here and there, to a video and be like, oh, it's so much better.

Yeah. I wanna say, like, the hiring we had so many applications in that hiring process for CJ's position, and everybody was great. Everybody interviewed really well. There were just some amazing people who who came and showed up for this process. And then the meeting that we had to discuss, like, our thoughts on the interviews, I feel like every single one of us came to the table came to the meeting be like, guys, I really wanna advocate for hiring CJ for this position. Like Oh, thanks. Everyone was kind of expecting it to be like, like, like, they're gonna have to fight for CJ, when in reality, we're all in agreeance that it was like, we all wanted to fight for CJ to get the job. So, yeah, you you, you crushed that process.

I appreciate that. I will say I've I've grown in this role too. So before this, I was mainly just a live streamer. So, that's where I got my start on a channel called Coding Garden.

And so, like, I I used to live stream, like, four four days a week and teach coding.

But in this role, I've kind of had to learn how to edit and how to do more production instead of just going live. And I think I've I've gotten pretty decent at it, but I think that's that's one thing I've enjoyed about this role is, like, branching out from live streaming and creating more, like, edited produced content.

Yes. We're so happy to have you. And and speaking of edited content, our latest, our latest hire in addition to the Syntax team, is Nikki Bradner, who who came on earlier this was at the very end of last year, the tail end of last year, November, October, all the way from Amsterdam. Welcome, Nikki. Hi.

How are you guys? Congrats on a thousand Node. It's so nice to be here.

Thank you. We're we're so lucky to have Nikki. Her first full edit like, Nikki's been doing a lot of edits, especially part of the mad CSS and all all over this channel, but her latest full edit was the Artemis vibe off video and, including all the hilarious animations and stuff. Nikki, you just, like, brought a whole lot of new energy to this team, and we're so happy to have you on here.

Oh, likewise. It's so nice to be here. It's so funny. Like, I still I can join CJ on that. Like, I still have imposter syndrome.

It's I joined, like, end like, October, but it's still, like, I just feel like settling in, but it's so nice to be here.

Awesome.

Let's get into some stats.

I ran the numbers.

Basically, I took Scott every episode we did, because the the syntax website has transcripts. Right? And for some reason, the transcripts only go back about 750 episodes. So we got a bug. We gotta figure it out. It's in Century. Right? Century dot io4 slash syntax, by by the way.

Coupon code, tasty treat, all lowercase, all over the world.

But I I took those 700 transcripts and, like, tried to do some data science on it and figure out who speaks more, what are the most common phrases, and things like that. So chat, but let us Node. Who do you think talks more in an episode between Scott and I? Never mind the guests and and whatever of people having on. I'd like to see what people think. Or team, who do you think yaps more, Scott or me? I think it's you, Wes. I think it's Wes. Yeah. Yeah. I know the answer.

I I know the answer. Funny because Yeah. In my everyday life, I'm known as the person who does not stop talking. So, the fact that I can be out talked by Wes is,

that's an accomplishment, Wes. Out of a 100%, 38% is me speaking, 34% is Scott speaking, and then the rest are either undetectable or guests or or things like that. So Yeah.

I talk about four or 5% more than Scott on any given episode, which which I agree. Sometime especially some of the, like, the recent Next. Js one. I was looking at the stats,

and, Scott hardly got a word on that one. Yeah. Sometimes the interviews are tough because there's you know, especially when there's three or four people. Wes and I are, like, constantly trying to fight each other as to who's going to like, we should have a better system. We actually proposed a little hand raising system.

But then you you can't get Wes to adhere to anything like that. No. It ruins the flow, you Node, especially if you're, like, you're in something, you know, like, but what about this? You know? Yeah. So you just I just trample over you.

Let me show you this, though.

This is every single episode split by speaker. So the orange is going to be me, and the purple is going to be Scott, and then the gray is just other people talking. So you can see some of the some of the episodes here. This gray one, this is when we had Tim and Jim on from from Next JS. They talked most of that episode. Right? You can't even you can hardly see Scott in a purple here. Whereas you go to, like, episode nine seventy seven, which is we built a CSS challenge platform, that one's almost entirely almost entirely Scott. But it's kinda fun to, like, scroll through

Wow. You really picked the best colors for this. Yeah. This is maybe not a good idea.

I'm, like, tripping, trying to

Trying to see everything. Yeah. You're right. Maybe I should, switch this up, but make it a little bit different.

Oh, some of the older episodes don't don't show exactly

right. Although, there's we need to redo the transcripts on it. There's there's much better tech to build transcripts than what we used a couple years ago. Yeah. There is so funny because there's some episodes, especially like the Next. Js one, where, like, I almost don't even know what to ask just because I don't use it as much. So I the questions I can ask are are gonna be more, like, vibe Bos. Like, how do you feel about this? You know? Yeah. What are your yeah.

Where you can get into the more technical nitty gritty.

That's that's the thing JS, like, I I I know about, like like, webpack comments, like, magic comments, which Tim didn't even know about, and he's the one building TurboPack, you Node? And Yeah. So I'm doing that. Webpack. So No.

Lucky.

Yes.

That's a lot of words, though. Wait. Did you just say did you see 2,000,000 words or something from Yeah. Let's look at it here. So out of seven seven 771

episodes which we have transcribed, that is 5,700,000 words, a 113,000 utterances, which is kinda like two or two or three sentences kinda put together, as Scott and I going back and forth.

10,480 topics, which is those are just from the show notes. Those are markdown regexed out of there.

7,493 average words pnpm episode.

Longest episode, an hour and forty five minutes, which is our three hundredth episode we did live.

And then we've said sick, 1,200 times.

Node JS only said 19 times, which I don't believe. I don't believe that. A lot more than that. Second. Oh, it's Yeah. Jay, I probably said it 19 times today. But I will mention, CJ is rising in trending words.

Yes. I guess you you guys mention me all the time.

So what we did here is I took the first half of the transcripts and then the second half of the transcripts, and we looked at words that were trending. Basically, words that show up. And CJ is up 433 or sorry, 4000%.

Nice. Love to see it on the rise. Yeah. MCP

is the biggest jump in word views. Claude, COOLIFY, Biome, LLM, Deno, embedding, JSR. That's not surprising, actually. Anthropic, Transformers, Sega. Yeah. That whole episode of Sega.

Sega. Sega. Sega. Sega.

Oh, and then words that we do Scott. Most of the declining words were just past sponsors.

And then since we joined Century, we no longer have to do sponsors, which is the best. So that's why you don't see these words like French FreshBooks and Linode anymore. But, scrubbable.

Scrubbable.

Oh, that Wes that was probably from one of the, Ad

Reads, I think. Oh, Apollo's interesting.

Apollo. Yeah. Apollo.

Folks, Apollo. GraphQL. Apollo.

Yeah. Wow. Down. Oh. Up from 211 to 28 instances.

Talinsky.

Talinsky.

Beginner. Jamstack. Oh, Jamstack from 70 down to 13.

It's about to trend back upwards now just by saying that a couple times here. Yeah. Jamstack. Jamstack. Jamstack. It's a sign of the times, though. Yeah. It is a sign of the times. I think I even that yeah. The I'm surprised to see GraphQLs in on there as a word too, even though we do have Apollo there.

Top words by speaker, I was extremely surprised at the number one word and the number two word for Scott for me and Scott was rid.

Rid. Get rid of rid. And and I looked into it, and it's it's legit. Right? I can open this up and in a new tab, and you can see our usage of rid.

Why? Woah. What? Rid of Is that one episode with a 125 occurrences?

Yes.

Wow. Or Oh, no. Sorry. Not episode. This is month monthly. Oh, month. Month. Month. Okay. A 125 times in a month. Why did we say rid? That must have been in a sponsor, or maybe that was when Scott tacked something on to the end of the episode.

That that makes a lot of sense. Maybe that was in, like, the outro.

Yeah. That's actually very interesting. It could be in the outro, little. We both say little.

I say Little JS the most used word. Node. It might be there.

Yeah. Why does Scott say Wes and Wes says Wes? Wes says most feeling I I know why.

Honestly, it might be a trans trans like, a a speaker detection error. I don't know. Because do you ever say your own name? Yeah. I often use my own name in examples.

So, like, I'll say, like, if I'm going to westboss.com or Yeah. I also the shameless plugs, I often will have say my own so, oh, that's probably it. Because in the shameless plugs, I always say westboss.com, and Scott would have said, like, level up tots.

Syntax next. I don't know if it's gonna be on the other screen.

I say it Wes.

220 Woah.

Yeah. I say syntax more.

Scott says syntax 265 times more. It's number 13 for Scott and number 33 for me, which just goes to show either I talk more or have a bigger vocabulary.

That's actually not true. I have the biggest vocabulary of anyone on the show, and I'll fight you for that.

Actually, I do believe that. So maybe maybe let's jump into this for a second.

I built an app that did supercuts of, like, common phrases that were said over and over again.

And I found tons of them for CJ and I, like like just like tropes that we say over and over again, like under the hood, we say over and over again. And for CJ and I, we we found tons.

And for Scott, I had a hard time finding the same thing that Scott says over and over again. So Sanity has these videos queued up. You wanna should we play them now, Scott?

Yeah. As you can see. As you can see.

As you can see. As you can see. As you can see. As you can see. As you can

that was really good. There was there was a couple other ones that were predominantly CJ. I'll see if I can find them. But All the poor audio listeners are listening to this. Like, I don't see a thing. Oh, yeah. There was Well, they're here. I know. Listeners, that was a supercut of all the clips. So I took the transcripts, and we have word level detection. And I I downloaded the last 150, episode or YouTube videos, not not just podcast episodes. This was separate.

And then I I used the new XAI transcript API because we've been using Deepgram for all of our stuff, but this is, like, three times cheaper. I transcribed a 150 of our YouTube videos for 50¢, and then I just I ran some scripts on it to figure out what were, like, common phrases, and then I built this, like, Pnpm peg thing that would take the time stamps and then make a supercut of every time we said a specific word, like, as you can see, and then I put it all into one video, which is the results were hilarious to to output.

Scott, do you know what yours your most commonly said thing?

I I don't know because I I'm looking at my five word phrases on here, and it's, like, all the stuff that JS in the bumpers.

So Yeah.

Yeah. If it's not in the bumpers It's not my bumper stuff. I had to exclude a lot of that. I I did run it on, like, commonly said five word phrases, but there it wasn't nothing good came out of that. So I ended up just manually looking for them. I couldn't tell you. No. Right. No idea.

Let us have it, Randy. We're gonna be talking about we're gonna be talking about we're gonna be talking about we're gonna be talking about we're gonna be talking about we're gonna be talking about we're gonna be talking about talking about talk to you about. We're gonna be talking about My my style be styling in that those clips. Yeah.

Yeah. Quite honestly, the the fun part about these supercuts was I was like, oh, that shirt was cool. I should find that Node, or I like that one. Alright. Yeah. Your hair looks good in all of those, Scott. I'm actually shocked. Yes. I think it'd be cool to to build this, but do facial detection on the video and, like, line, like, eyes up or something. Oh, god. Wouldn't that be sick or or creepy?

Yeah. That would be creepy. I don't know why that creeps me out for some reason.

That creeps me out. I don't get it. Yeah.

I don't like those videos where they have the camera and it's, like, aligned to someone's eyes and they're, like, backgrounds moving around. Oh, yeah. I don't like that. Node. Thank you. I think that's a DaVinci

feature, isn't it? I don't know. Do you guys have any stats on who how many times each of you have done the intro?

Oh.

That's a good question. That JS a good question.

I don't. Okay. I what what would you guess, Scott? Like who intros the podcast? I think I intro them more. Split. Yeah. You think you do? Yeah. I would probably say like 60%, Scott. Usually when we record like two in a day, we try to like One moment. Kinda split it. But if it's if it's an episode where one of us has, like, done, like, a deep dive on something, generally, that person intros it because we understand it more. And then the potlucks, I generally we one thing we started doing in the potluck episodes, which if you never listen to one, it's it's where we bring listener questions in and we answer them. We've started doing the intro at the end so that we can tell people kinda what's what's upcoming, and that has really helped, like, retention.

People are like, oh, I wanna learn about x, y, and z. I'm gonna keep listening to this one because not then you have an idea of what's included in this podcast.

Man, this is really fascinating to see all these all these words. And then mine, I I know what mine is, but,

you can play it, Randy. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I sure. I'm not sure.

Those are great. I honestly wish I could just do an hour. I I have, like, a 100 of these different videos. The one where we say AI is four and a half minutes long.

AI. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like the words lose all their their, meaning after that. That welcome one, specifically, when I'm sharing the welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, it's like, oh my gosh. That word, has has completely transformed.

It I did the tan stack one, and it's just like it's like saying the word fork or spoon a 100 times. It it doesn't it loses all meaning.

So a lot of people don't know that, and we'll talk about this in the the Google Doc. We we created our first Google Doc kind of outlining the show 04/01/2016 JS Caitlin mentioned, and we didn't actually record the first episode of Syntax until 06/27/2017.

Well, we recorded before then, but recorded, like, four episodes, so that way we could have a bunch ready to go.

But in between that time, I was struggling to make Vercel up tutorials work on YouTube as a both a a business, but also YouTube was cutting ad revenue. And because of that, I had to take a job at a Scott up here in Denver. It was a three person start up. I was building the app basically myself.

It was a good idea, and I was just, like, crushing it, working hard to you know, all of a sudden, I'm I'm doing content full time, and now all of a sudden, I'm building an app full time.

And that project had been going on for, like, I wanna say, like, six, seven months. But the work culture there yeah. Six, seven. Yes. I even kinda did it by accident. Oh my gosh. It's both a deal. Yeah. Man, the work culture there had been getting worse and worse and Vercel, and I don't know if they were running out of money or something. It's not like they were spending that much money anyways.

And I just kept getting, like, maybe more, pressure on me to what was initially I was building a prototype of a software for them to sell to investors. That was the gig. Right? But that started drifting ESLint, oh, this isn't a prototype anymore. This is the app, and why isn't it done yet? Well, it's working as a prototype. You guys didn't uphold your end of the bargain. So it just became like an increasingly toxic work environment to the point where they were, like, super rude and all kinds of stuff. But my son was born at the May.

My very first child was born at the May 2017.

And we had the podcast idea. My son was Yarn, and the weekend of the birth of my first child, a Sunday night, this is ingrained in my memory forever, a Sunday night at 8PM npm on Sunday night, I'm getting blown up on my phone, like, with toxic harassing messages about a broken feature in pre alpha software that had no users.

It was that Sanity, and then Monday, I'm driving my parents back to because my parents were in town. I'm driving them back, to the airport, and I'm just like, I'm gonna quit this job. And, like, I didn't have a job.

I I had a YouTube account, but YouTube Wes, like, not paying very much at that point in time. And, like, man, it Wes, like, I don't Node. Like, the the amount of stress that gets involved in that decision because it's, like, you just had a child, and, and, like, what you're gonna quit your job. So I seriously, I I that day, I quit my job.

I told him I wasn't gonna do it, and the, cofounder of the company was like, I get it. You're not treated very well. And so I was like, yep. Alright. I'm out. And then at that point, I think it was, like, literally, I sat down with my thoughts and Wes, like, I need to do something.

And I don't wanna take credit for, pushing Wes to go forward with this. But at that point, I, like, really needed to do something. And we had been kind of off and on talking about getting this going. And so at that point, I was like, we need to do this podcast.

Wes agreed.

We recorded four episodes, released on June 27.

Rest is history.

The rest is history. Yes. I I'll give you credit for that because, like, I I love I love talking about doing things, but, like, sometimes you just need a kick in the pants to actually get going. And I'm I'm glad we did it because, like you said, we've been we were doing it for quite a while. And let me should we share the original doc of of our brainstorming? I think it's kinda funny.

Yeah. Let's do that. Yeah. And we'll get into into into this later. But, Ajalil in the chat says, did Century get involved early in the past early in the podcast, or did it happen years later? I think we'll, we'll we'll touch on that in a second. Yeah. Well, let let's do it right now. Century was

oh, classic Wes right there.

We'll do it live. Century was always a sponsor of of Syntax. And from from very early on, they actually had approached me for one of my courses probably over ten years ago and say, hey. If we wanna do you wanna do anything together, let me know. And then I was like, oh, we wanna sponsor our podcast. So they sponsored that, and they from, like, the very first days, they said, give us as many episodes as you can. And it it it was amazing. Right? Like, it and they said it was one of the only sponsorships that they ever saw, like like, good ROI on or or or positive ROI on. A lot a lot of times people sponsor podcasts, and it's just because of word-of-mouth. Right? They're not actually making more money than they spend sponsoring the podcast. But there there was a really good relationship, and then around episode 600, Century contacted us and said, hey. Do you wanna just join Century? You can keep doing your thing, but make this make this even bigger. You don't have to take sponsorships on, and it's been been fantastic. So we owe Century quite a bit for how good the Syntax podcast is today.

Yeah. I think if it was anybody else, it would have been a tough sell for us to join a company like that. But because we had that working relationship with Century and we've, known the folks over there for so long. And, just a high quality team of people. So yeah.

Somebody in the chat asked for a 67 compilation, so I had to run it.

67. 67. 67. 67. 67.

67.

67. 67 so much. That's it. I'm not even doing it on purpose. That's what I've realized after discovering the meme. Like, we say it all the time. Yeah. Six seven years, six seven hours, six seven minutes. Yeah. Like It's so funny.

We've said six, seven seventeen times

in the last 150 videos. That's what it is. So over six, seven, which makes it so much funnier to say now. Like Yeah.

So much funnier. Watching a YouTube video about memes, and kids are like, oh, six seven is so old. Like, that's not funny in the app.

Put it in the chat. What what else do we say? Because I could I got the script. I can I can make a supercut of anything? So if there's anything you wanna see, if if we can pull up, we can do it. But let's look at the the original doc from what? This is over ten years ago. Oh, dead nuts is a good one. Yeah. I'll do that.

But this was Scott and I's a thing, writing markdown in Google Docs. Right? Because there was nothing Yes. Be pre markdown support. Weekly is a big commitment. I'd love to prep to be minimal.

Weekly JS a big commitment.

Yeah. I'd love to get a point where Wes can make a thousand, $2,000 per show. We were making a lot more than that when we stopped sponsors, which is great.

Good examples.

ShopTalk Show JS on here, Fizzle, Shawn West. We both really liked Yay Query,

which Yes. I don't know if that's on here, but we liked how fun it was. I think that was one of the big things for us Wes, like, it has to be fun. It has to be that that style.

Yeah. Has to be fun, entertaining, silly. YayQuery was a podcast by, what, Paul Irish, Alex Hexton, Rebecca Murphy, and, Adam Sontag, and they were all big people in, like, the early JavaScript scene.

And I love that podcast just because, like, they would share little tips. They had this, like, Paul, I always had this thing called the anti performance tip of the week, which is basically, like, little things that could make your jQuery app slow, and I love that little segment, you know, little nuggets that you could take Yeah. Out of out of that episode. And I I was really sad when they, like, stopped doing that, and I was like, we should build up, like, the modern version of jQuery,

because it's it's they're just silly, and it's entertaining, and and you learn a lot from it. That was the first podcast that I was really into, like, the very first one. Yeah. Things that we hate about podcasts. I actually thought we connected a lot on stuff that we didn't want it to be. I know that there's just these two things too long and rambly, inside joke, titles that don't lead you in. I think there were so many more things that we initially talked about as being stuff that we don't like about podcasts. And to me, that fact that we had such similar tastes in what we didn't like about other shows

was something that led me to, like, be like, oh, this is a good idea. You know? Exactly. So if for those who don't know, Scott and I were part of a what's called a mastermind where it was, four guys who just, like, sold web dev courses. And we would meet up, like, every other week and just kinda talk about the business. And then Scott and I just, like like, we loved like, we loved each other. Right? We we just, like, got along well, and, like, we had really good back and forth. And I thought, like, okay. This is, like, somebody who I could do a podcast with.

And then when we started talking about what we hated, like, long and rambly podcasts and inside jokes that don't lead you to things, We're like, oh, man. We're we're all on the same page here. The names. I thought this was hilarious, looking at all the names. I initially had the domain bosssauce, and I was gonna start my own podcast, which I'm glad I did not make Call It BossS.

And the Code Code Code in Code are such, like, funny like, I don't know I don't know if you were you you had band and stuff. When I had a band, I remember some of the worst names that we came up with were of probably the same style as Code Code Code. Like Yeah. I don't know what it is about those that just, like, hits me in that Scott, like the Node dev show.

Some of these things are so funny. I I think WebSauce works. Blockscopes works.

Blockscope

Yeah. Is probably the only good one on this list.

I think so too.

I don't the rest of the team, do you see anything on here that was good? And what's actually interesting is that syntax was not on this list. The initial was at npm, and then it was not till three hours later that the word syntax got added by oh, looks like Scott added it.

What did I add?

Was it you that came up with the idea of syntax?

Can we give me credit for that? I'll take credit for that. I don't know. What I I think the the literature show is Yeah. Yeah. It's nothing. Look at purple. Syntax cast.

Yes.

I think all the best ones on here. Yes. Async and Syntax. I think is good.

Wes did come up with all the branding, so I can I can at least take credit for, that part? Hey. I didn't know that. I'm gonna I'm gonna ride on that now.

I The creator of the Syntax Word

brand. It exactly. It I'm glad that we can go back ten years in Google Docs history and see who typed that in. That's actually crazy. Yeah. Yeah. With a bout of inspiration at 03:58PM

on April 1.

And to to jump forward, a quick a quick, call out from Internet doggo. They did a calculation. So total length calc, two million six hundred and seventy nine thousand eight hundred and thirty four seconds for all episodes.

Thirty one days worth of podcasts you guys have done. Wow.

Thirty one days.

That's thirty now. Node days. A whole dang month.

That's insane.

Yeah. Nineteen work weeks of full time listening at one x.

That's actually crazy because I've met multiple people who have said, I've listened to every single episode. You know? Like there's, there's hundreds of people. Every time we have Spotify wrapped, you see people who have numbers that are larger than the amount of content we put out in a single year.

And and there are people and also, we I I met somebody, like, like, a couple weeks ago, and they're, like, I started listening to your podcast, and I started at one. And I was like, Node, let's start at one. Like, that's 10 years old. Like, that is not good to be listening to, like, us talk about 10 year old React best patterns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. That's so funny to think about. What else is on here? Episode ideas.

What's new in CSS? Man, Wes ten years later, we still just did that we did that episode last week. We just did that episode.

Yeah.

Test. Yeah.

Yeah. What's funny is the Task Runners Node, Wes it's gulp, grunt, webpack, and NPS TypeScript, like, all of that tech. Like, yes, Npm scripts is the only one that survived, but, man, I I remember Gulp. Everything was Gulp for me. Mhmm. Gulp was the best.

Computer hardware, Hackintosh. Yeah. We talked about Hackintoshes a lot in the early days before, like, the m chips killed the Hackintosh.

I've ran a Hackintosh as my main system for a long time. Yeah. You can see it as a character in many of the Vercel up tutorials videos. JavaScript frameworks Wes I feel like we ended up doing all of these things. Notice how I added the, health encoding lifestyle issues like posture jeez. Health and well, I always was always pushing to do the health and fitness episodes, so that's funny that I added that. Let's see what else you added on the next day. Oh, you added site performance the next day.

And then a couple hours later, what did you add? Get cracking.

You came like a day later.

Oh, I got a good idea here. Just to type, get cracking in. Let me add get cracking on here. This is what this is through. Let me see what I added

a month later. Oh. Oh. That's when I came up with the the logo.

Oh. Which is just Oh, that that's not the password anymore. That was that used to be old. But we used to keep our password in.

Oh, wait. Wait. Wait. For the podcast listeners, I love to make syntax podcast was the password. Is that what it was? Yeah.

That's man.

Come on.

Well, that's a lot. There was no one password back then, CJ. That,

I know it's just temporary. Node. Definitely should not have been doing that. The password was Password. Yes. Yep. That is funny. And then this is where we started adding in, oh, this is where we started like

doing the different episodes. CSS Creating Meteor JS the only thing here is pretty on brand.

Camera access, podcast layout. Yeah. Some fun stuff in there. Oh, I love this doc. I I actually I love popping open this doc. I got dead nuts. You guys ready?

Ready for dead nuts. Yes.

Dead nuts. What happened? Dead nuts. Dead nuts. Dead nuts.

I'm surprised I say it as much as Wes. Wes has probably said it more frequently than me. That's great.

Hey. So, Wes, we wanna let, to improve the, lag on the stream, we wanna, let, Nikki, Caitlin, and Randy go. But be first, I I wanted to talk with Caitlin a little bit as the first person to join the team. I think there's a funny story there, especially around when when, the Century acquisition happened. So, Caitlin, how long had you been working with me at LevelUp? Was it a

year and a half, two years? I feel like it was probably two years. Gosh. It's so hard to remember. Right? I think it was about two years. I think Wes you and I started doing stuff with LevelUp around the 2021.

Yeah. Yeah. And then so 2024

kind of early twenty twenty four was when everything was going on in the century. Yeah. Yeah. So I I'm I first met Caitlin. She was working at Galvanize, which was a, is Wes I don't know if they're are they still around, CJ? They're still in there. Yeah. Yeah. Like, online only or something. Because I work there too. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I was asking CJ too. Yeah. Caitlin and CJ both did work at Galvanize at one point, but they had a a I I had done some events with them before where I had, like, been brought in to speak at, things. But Caitlyn, you had worked there for I don't know. How long did you work there?

Like, a year and a half. It was during, like, COVID, so it was a little rough. But it's interesting. So you guys started I'm gonna go back a little bit further for a second because you guys started talking about this 2016.

You got your first episode out 2017, but you guys didn't meet in person till 2018. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that was at was that not at the JAMstack Scott in Denver?

It was in Yeah. S F. Not in Denver. It was even 2019

in San Francisco. Yeah. But Scott and I had never met after almost three years of doing stuff together. Oh. Or yeah.

And people had thought we were in the same room because we didn't do video, and people just thought we were in the same room recording. And I was like, no. Actually, I've never met him before.

That's kinda funny. Okay. So, yeah, I'd like been exposed to Scott and, I mean, just the syntax, like, whole podcast for a while, but then that galvanized, I was like, I need to get someone on to talk about imposter syndrome. It'd be really great to have somebody that's local in Denver.

We have that live video somewhere, Scott. We had to pull that up and, like, look at that sometime. But that's how you and I started getting connected just, like, through events for Galvanize. And then, yeah, it kinda slid into your DMs and Wes like, hey. You need help with Vercel Up? Yeah. You were like, do you know anybody? That that's what you warp you asked me. Do you know anybody that needs a marketing manager? Because you're just doing outreach. Right? Like, you were just trying to I laid off 2020 from Galvanos. Yeah. 2021.

And it was it was such perfect timing because it I was I was just, you know, lamenting, to my wife over and over again about how I needed that position. I cannot, like, continue to do everything myself. And then it's like, I got that message from you. Like, hey. Do you know anyone? Like, hey. You're like, actually Let's talk. Yeah. Actually, let's talk. So we started working together. You became a a full time employee of LevelUp. From there, you know, you had been joining me on live streams, handling emails, Black Friday, all the stuff. And this whole time, that the the century and syntax conversation was going on, we were under NDA. I couldn't tell Caitlin.

So, we were undergoing a massive site redesign at the time. Caitlin's working on all these marketing plans, and and I have to just kinda be like, yeah. Let you know, the future plans for this, knowing that level up and Syntax would most likely be joining Century. But I couldn't tell her.

And then we basically get the final offer in, and it's like, alright. We are signing this offer, and then I can tell Caitlin.

But she has to basically decide in twenty four hours if she wants to join a new company with Wes who she had Node never met Wes. Right? Deno. Yeah. Node?

Yeah. So it was like, how what was that like to just get that message out of the blue? Like I mean, it was funky. Right? Because I, like you were you didn't ever said anything. You didn't, like, bust your NDA, but you were definitely kinda, like I could feel, like, things were changing, you know? And you I was stressed. You were stressed and, like, the energy was different, and I was sure I was getting fired. Like, what else could it be? Right?

I was just like, I don't know. Because I was like, hey. Do you do you have time to chat? Like, I'm gonna be a busy chat. Outside

of normal business hours, and you're like, hey. Do you have, like, a minute to chat right now? And I'm like, okay. Great. Yeah. And this is, like, right when I moved into that Colorado cabin. Like, we just put all our stuff in storage. Life was already a little uncertain, so I was like, great. Okay. I guess I'm getting fired now. So it wasn't bad. It was actually great news. I had never actually heard of Sanity because I'm in marketing. You know? So I was just like, who's Sentry? You're like, okay. They're they're actually really, really great company. Like, you're you're gonna like it. Like, I hope you accept. Like, and you're reading me all the benefits.

Gabe, my partner's, like, listening to this call because he also like, he knew I thought I was gonna get fired. So he's like He's a dev. Right? He's a dev. Yeah. And so he's like he knows Sanity. Love Sentry. He's a Sentry. And so he's over He's, like, hearing about it, and he's, like, you know, Node the background, like, yeah. This is a good thing.

And I was telling him, like, I don't know. I guess I have a new job and

I'm a part of Syntax now. And yeah. I mean, Gabe's been a fan of Syntax for forever. So he's just I mean, he fangirled when I joined Vercel tutorials. He fangirled even harder when I was able to join the Syntax Century team. So That's great. Yeah. I felt really guilty about that. Yeah.

Yeah. It was it's been fun, and I appreciate you pulling me into this. It's just been cool, and you guys are just so good at this. You should be so proud that, you know, you reached a thousand episodes, and everyone loves you, and you've just built something really, really cool. Thank you. Appreciate that.

Yeah.

Yeah. They so, Caitlin, we'll let you drop. And, Nikki, thank you so much for joining us too JS the the newest member of the team. We're we're so happy to have you. So thank you so much for joining us. And then, Randy, even though you're the producer, we'll have you drop

because I'm dropping. I'll still be here, but I'm dropping.

Later, guys. Thank you so much. You. Bye. Just going back behind the scenes where he belongs.

It's like a a kind of laugh. On screen talent. Right? You got a kind of laugh. Yeah.

Turn the knobs.

Oh.

Oh, that's great. Alright. What else we got here? We do we wanna do the old intros? Do we wanna talk about what the top episodes

of all time were? This actually leads into a question that someone had, about Wes would be what would be a good place to start? So this is from Thinkverse.

What would be a good starting point for new listeners? The latest episode in episodes back, start of the year. I I would imagine that, like, best episodes of all time are probably some that they should tune into. This is a hard problem that Spotify is unfortunately not

helping anybody with. You know? Like, most people are listening to podcasts on Spotify right now, and this is something we're trying to solve with the new website as well. It's just collections of of a podcast. Like, I'm new here. What should I listen to? Search fundamentals.

Those are some of our top episodes, and we go through every single we have one on JavaScript, one on TypeScript, one on CSS, one on HTML. We I don't know. We probably have 10 different fundamentals episodes where we just break everything down and explain it right down Dead nuts. Right? And those are those are probably, like, the best timeless ones that are not like, oh, don't listen to a six year old React episode because that's that's not necessary. Things have changed since then. I I thought that one of our most popular episodes was the the Josh Wardle episode on the creator of Wardle. I thought that was a great episode. That was really fun. I thought it was fascinating

to hear that this, like, you could just make something and have it pop off to that degree and just how fun that whole thing was with him. So that was a I think that's a good episode. It was a crazy story because,

like, when Wordle was released, it was this game during the pandemic that absolutely blew up.

And I didn't hear about it when it was blowing up. And I got an email from this guy being like, hey. I made this game that's getting really popular.

And I was like like, cool. Congrats. Like, that I he's like, I I listened to I didn't brush him off, but he's like, I listened to syntax. I learned to code from you guys, and I made this game that got really popular called Wordle.

And I, like, read it, and I was like, oh, that's really cool. I'll I'll reply in the in the morning. And then, like, I think I forget who it was. It was my parents or or or my wife or something. Everybody started talking about Wordle, and I was like, was that the same guy that emailed me? And so I looked it up. I was like, holy shit. This guy emailed me, and, like, the New York Times just bought it. So I messaged him back, and I was like, dude, this is sick. Come on and explain to us how you built Wordle.

And he came on, and that was well, that is our one, two, three, fourth most popular episode ever. Our stats are a little bit skewed because we moved from Libsyn to megaphone, Spotify at one point. But if we're looking at all of our episodes from, like, seven, eight hundred episodes back, the Josh Wardle episode is number

four or five. Four. Yeah. That was a good one.

The number one episode is JavaScript fundamentals.

Number two is how to get better at problem solving, which I really like that one. Third one, the fundamental server side. That one is really popular.

And then the sixth one, design foundations for developers.

Rollers in the, Twitch chat says, start with the Halloween episodes.

Oh, the Halloween episode. So I don't when when was the very first Halloween episode? So I don't remember when we came up with this idea, but we have the idea to make spooky web dev stories for Halloween. And it has in turn every single year, I I look forward to these every single year. There are so there's so many of them now.

First of all Wes our first episode. If you go to syntax.fm/spooky, we'll have a a submission form and

a list of all of our past episodes. And these are just, like, tech horror stories of when things went wrong. Yeah. So the 2019 was the first year we did that. I can't imagine the show without that episode, honestly. Those are some of the funniest ones to me. I I remember the very long time syntax listeners will know this. The very first time that we did a spooky stories episode, I was doing my Dracula voice for the whole episode.

And halfway through the Wes the episode, Wes because this weren't live or whatever, Wes, like, Scott, and he's just like, you're not gonna do that voice the whole episode, are you? Like like, maybe the one of the more serious times I've ever had Wes have a a a conversation with me.

Yeah. Like, this is driving me Sanity.

But the fans loved it. People loved the spooky voice. Yeah. The episodes are, like, timeless too because it's just people having tech problems and, like, it doesn't matter if it's old React or whatever. It's about the drama of the story of, like, are you gonna

get fired? Did you drop a production database? That kind of thing. So those are super entertaining.

Some of the older ones are are the best as well because, like, ten years ago, like, people were doing FTP.

They were SSH ing into boxes. We didn't have the, like, the deployment streams that we have Node. And a lot of it was just, like, people trying not to goof up and then accidentally dropping a database or or shipping the wrong code or the wrong environmental variable. And that that that kind of stuff definitely happens, especially with all vibe Node. But the some of the older ones are are some of the best.

Yeah.

Yeah. Totally. And the latest one, I got to make a song for it. Who knows? Maybe I'll make a song again this year.

I would love to make more songs. That that was actually so fun.

CJ, do you wanna guess what our top countries are by listenership if if you didn't look at the notes? I didn't look at the notes, but I have a guess based on, like, YouTube stats. Like, I'd say US is probably number one.

Yeah. 42%.

India is always pretty high up. Are they two? India is not on the podcast charts, but for my YouTube and for my own course, India is for the free ones, India's number one. And then the paid ones, India JS usually, like, four or five. It's it's usually up there. Okay. Lot of lot of people in India. There should Germany should be pretty high too. Right? Yeah. Germany, number four. And UK? UK, number two.

Okay.

So who's number three?

The creators of this podcast? This is a creator. Dutch? It's like no. It's a Canadian podcast.

Get it out. Number three. They they speak English in Canada. Yeah. Eight. Something like that.

Yeah. This is a Canadian podcast, by the way. I Well, it's funny because when I joined, I I, like, leveled the playing field because it was, like, you and Randy were Canada. Now me and Scott are Colorado. It's a Colorado podcast. Scott is mostly Canadian, though. He's, like, honorary. You know? I I yeah. There I mean, there's there's many opportunities to my my, you know, I have I have Canadian heritage, but also no. I am I am American. And, actually, at one point, Wes, three of the people on this podcast, or in this team warp living in Colorado. So True. That's yeah. It's a Rocky Mountain podcast. Yeah.

It's a mile high podcast. This was part of the like, when I got the job, I I put these Canada and Colorado stickers on the the Syntax Skateboard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I'm glad you left the Canada one on for that. We have the Syntax Canada sticker somewhere. I don't know Node exactly where it is. I might even have one on my computer. I got a If you're watching if you're watching in the chat, let us know where you're tuning in from because I see I see, Gabri Bos from South Africa, Bos Lucas from Germany.

We've got some people watching in India.

Also Turkey, Argentina.

Canada.

Good. Canada. Quebec.

YouTube faces. We're part of Canada, but close enough. These guys are Canadian?

One person on this call is Canadian, Kirk. Wes, this is Canadian.

Close enough. Close enough. But telling stories about, like, being recognized in public, many times, I've I've met people, like, at the mall or on the street or whatever just walking around. You just say, like, oh, hey. Are you are you Wes? I listen to Syntax. And probably about four or five years ago, this JS before we were doing video. So a lot of people didn't even know, like, what I look like because they simply just are audio listeners.

And it was Christmas day. We were at the park, and I was just, like, yelling like, not yelling at my kids, but yelling to my kids. Like, hey. Like, go down the slide.

And someone from across the park was like, that's Wes's Vercel. You know? And I have it at conferences all the time where people go, you're in line, and you're talking to somebody, and somebody will just go, I know that voice, you know? Because It just does carry. And you it

yeah. We were at the Internet event at the Golden State at the Chase Center, and, people were speaking, and somebody had to come out and be like, can you be quiet? Wes Yeah. Wes was out of the sky Several times. Of the venue.

And, he was so loud that they it was interrupting the stage show.

Yeah. My voice definitely carries. But this was on at the park on Christmas day, and some guy from across the park, like, was like, that's Wes. And he, like, went over and Wes like, hey, I listened to the podcast, which is just crazy to think that somebody can recognize you from your voice. And I I don't even feel like I have a a very unique voice.

I so, Wes, I've the the, two of the times that I've been recognized in public have been because of my voice. One was at the zoo, and it was, like, nighttime, so nobody could see me anyways. And some guy Wes, like, woah. Are you Scott? And I was there with my Sanity, and I was like, oh, hey. He's like, I just heard your voice. And then another time, I was on the chairlift. I got my goggles on. I got my face mask on, and I'm just talking with some random guy on the ESLint. And he was like, hold on. Is your name Scott by any chance? I was just like, yeah. He's like, I listen to Syntax. I'm what? This is crazy.

Wild. Yeah?

Trivia. What was the first Syntax sponsor ever?

Are you asking me? Because I know.

Oh, you know. Okay. Well, I I don't think CJ would know. No. I'm not not that deep down.

Delicious Brains has a WordPress plug in called WP Migrate DB Pro, which, at the time, I was like a like a fairly heavy maybe, like, previously that. I was doing a lot of consulting and doing, like, WordPress, and I had used that pod that product quite a bit, and he just randomly emailed me. He was like, hey. Can we sponsor? And at the time, I didn't even think we could could get sponsors on it, and we're like, yeah. Hell, yeah. Come on. So that was the the very first one. Yeah. FreshBooks was pretty early on there as well as a sponsor,

and Century came on pretty early as well. Delicious Brains sponsored the fourth episode. And the reason why that's significant is because when Wes and I first recorded, we recorded three episodes in a batch that were, like, ready to go. So that way, we would have, like, a couple weeks to put together more episodes.

So the fourth episode is significant because that's the first episode that was really or recorded after we had released one episode. So they were on it immediately.

Very impressive because I think they also just, like, eyeballed it. I we learned very quickly after that, there's people that have scripts that like watch iTunes charts at the time. And then JS soon as we spiked on the iTunes charts, we got tons of emails from just like, like, random companies, you know, like like, underwear and shaving and all that stuff. We never really took on any of those sponsors.

We almost entirely were tech Yeah. Products TypeScript for Some clothing companies. The armory clothing company. In New York Wes, like, a high end men's clothing company, which JS really cool. Stuff. Yeah. Wes there any other

sponsors that were not tech? I don't know. We were pretty selective about, we could be selective about who we worked with. We didn't want, things that either wouldn't be relevant or stuff we didn't actually like or believe in.

The audience is saying FreshBooks. FreshBooks was one of the very first sponsors as well. They also were quick to sponsor us. Oh, Henri, just, in the chat mentioned who edited the early episodes? Me. Scott.

Uh-huh. I I did the music. I did the bumpers.

I edited it. I was a music major, but I'm also I don't think they were very good. I it's so funny as I I went to school for music technology and audio engineering and stuff, but that was never, like, anything I was actually that good at. So I I I did in logic, and I think that was part of it too JS I'm just, like, wasn't used to logic. So I was just hacking my way through logic. I still have all those files, which, I'm a digital hoarder, so I probably

You Node, one thing I deleted a couple years ago, which I regret, is I had the Zoom recordings from all of our early episodes. Oh. Because we used to just record locally and clap, and then but we use Zoom just to talk to each other. This JS before, like, Riverside was even a thing. I don't remember using Zoom to do this. No. You don't. I don't. I don't remember Zoom for some reason. And I remember looking at them before I deleted them, and I was like, our we just had, like, crappy webcams and, like, it was it was not very good at the time. No. I think I had a crap you had a really nice setup from the early days. That's right. Yeah. Because I was doing live streams with LevelUp, so I had to. And I wasn't doing that many of them, but I was doing a weekly one with Caitlin

or a monthly one. On that note, like, I really upped my production quality when I joined Syntax. Like, before, I was I was even though I was a live streamer, I was just using webcams, like, four k webcams.

Oh, yeah. I liter like, when I got the job, I had, like, a week to to prepare, and I bought, like, a Sony camera and a nice lens, and I got my whole scene Scott up and everything. Did you get your Venusaur then, or was it always there? That's Node recent addition, like, when the within the past few months.

What's a Venusaur?

Pokemon. It is Spinachar.

Yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah. You you you called out that comment, though, but when is the next meetup syntax conf? I think, like, it would be cool to do, like, a two day thing. Like, we do workshops for a day. All of us can teach something and then bring some of the speakers that have been on the podcast to speak at the Scott, that'd be really cool. I would love to do that. We actually had a call,

like, in 2019 about doing a Syntax conference with Ben who runs he ran, like, Reactathon, real world React. I think he's doing, like, AI conferences now.

And we were thinking about doing it, but then COVID happened, and, like, the whole conference scene just got decimated.

So, yeah, it it would be pretty fun. We've done tons of meet ups. Right? And we've done probably 10 different Syntax live shows. Those are always really fun. We did some in Colorado, some in we've done just some, like, just come to a bar and drink beer with us, and then we've done, like, live coding.

So it would be fun to do, like, a full on conference. Let us know where in the world we should be doing this. Yeah. Well, we are gonna be doing a Syntax meetup in Amsterdam

this summer. So Yes.

Around the same time as JS Communication.

Yes. That is on what's what's that date? June,

June 11. June 11. But the meetup will probably be on the tenth, I think. Yeah. So if you're in Amsterdam for JS Nation or React Summit, keep an eye out for that because we will be there hanging out, doing a live show, all that stuff. Actually, the whole team's gonna be there, so you can meet Yes. Everybody. And Yes.

We tell you to get ESLint or get a ticket to JS Nation, but also our our Sanity, like, our meetup JS you don't have to have a ticket to the conference to get in, so it's gonna be sick. Yeah. But you should come to JS Nation. I'll be emceeing. Wes is giving a a talk. Scott's giving a talk at React Summit, which is the next day, so come hang out for me. Giving a talk at React Summit, folks. You're gonna love to hear that. And, I'm I'm also I'm also emceeing at JS nation. Yeah.

I I I can't wait to speak at React Summit. I I, I'm not gonna be mean. I'm not gonna say anything bad about React.

Good. I I got a couple more supercuts here to play, but, before we do that, is there anything else we haven't covered here? How many guests have you had? Do you have a number? Oh, yeah.

I know how many. Do you know how many, Scott?

Oh, I have no idea. No. I have no idea.

It's way more than I would have thought. Guess. You just guessed. Okay.

Two fifty.

190.

You you over guessed. You ruined it.

That's such crazy that we've had a 100 because in the early days, we didn't do ESLint until episode Node Yeah. 70 ish. We had a couple people on here and there. Sasha Grief was the first Node. Cortland Allen from Indie Hackers and Sarah Sweden were our first three guests. And then we started basically, we'd, like, added a third show. We Wes did a hasty treat, short one on a Monday. We did a tasty treat. It's like an hour long one on a Wednesday, and then we added a Friday episode, which JS kind of like an interview. And, man, I have loved this because you've you've gotten to meet, like, 200 of the, like, top dogs in our industry.

And it's so cool to see everybody. You go to a conference. You get to see them. You know everybody.

When I was emceeing JS Nation last year, it was like every single person I interviewed or introduced on stage was someone we had on the show. So it felt so much better to interview them on stage. I, you know, had questions to ask and and things like that. It was just everybody's so great. So, shout out to anyone who's ever been a guest on CITAX. You Yarn all amazing for joining us for that. Do you have the intro themes as well, Wes? The previous intro themes?

Randy has them if he if he wants to play it for. I think I think he's he's watching in the show.

Oh, yeah. Randy has the, he at least has the the supper club theme, which I'm gonna be honest. The supper club theme was always my least favorite of the three. Mine as well. So for the audience listening, we used to have these

sick intros, that were like radio monster truck DJ, and we used to put them at the start of every episode.

But, unfortunately, TikTok has ruined all of your brains, and you don't listen if you don't get, like, what is happening within the first, like, twelve seconds of a video, you turn it off. So we had to get rid of those. Also, people hated them,

which is so funny. Yep. That was, like, what simultaneously, that was so they were so divisive. Like, people were were hearing a lot of, get rid of them. They're cringy. And also, we love them. Don't get rid of them. It's actually funny to think about the, like,

progression of content that we've done because we used to do, like, a thirty second intro, and then we used to do how you doing, chitchat, what's going on in your life, and that would be the first, like, ten minutes of the podcast. And I I Wes I was really enjoyed that. I think people also enjoyed getting, like, a little peek into our lives as well. But since things have moved more into, like, the algorithmic way, like, you can't have as much of that, and we have to try to get into it as fast as possible.

Yeah. Yeah. People also, accused us of selling out when we got rid of them because it was the we got rid of them right when the century, acquisition happened. But that was just something we had been wanting to do for a while. Just because we finally had somebody like Randy say, hey.

Can you turn those off? Yeah.

Yeah. That'd be hilarious if it was in the Century contract. We're gonna purchase you, but you have to stop playing the intros. Yes. Yeah.

Alright. Let me share or sorry. Randy, do you have the the first one that you can play? He has the supper club one. Alright. Play the supper club one. Scott's least favorite.

I sure hope you're hungry.

Cool. I'm starving.

Wash those hands, pull up a chair, and secure that feedback because it's time to listen to Scott Tolinski and Wes Bos attempt to use human language to converse with and pick the brains of other developers.

One's way smarter than these guys. I thought there was gonna be food.

So buckle up and grab that o handle because this ride is going to get wild.

This is the Syntax Supper Club.

I I don't like it.

You know, I've never heard it, and I will say this. I have literally never heard that outside of when we first got it at one x speed, at the normal speed. It usually felt like it went so much faster every time I listen to it. This time, it was just like, oh, this is so slow.

Yeah.

Yeah. It it was a bit it was too long even at the time.

Here is episode 56. I think this is one of the first ones where we had this intro. Let me play it.

You're listening to Syntax, the podcast with the tastiest web development treats out there. Strap yourself in and get ready. Here is Scott Tolinski and Wes Bos.

Welcome to

Nice. So that one was just like a little intro.

Do you guys like, did you hire somebody specifically? Like, the monster truck guy, that's like a real voice this is before AI voices. This is a real guy. Right? Yeah. There was like a they they call them Growlers

in in radio. And we went on Fiverr and found found a Growler that would would make us Node. And I think this one has the monster truck. Let's listen.

Monday. Monday. Monday.

Mhmm. My dev fans. Get ready to stuff your face with JavaScript, CSS, Node modules, barbecue chips, jet workflow, breakdancing, soft skill, web development, the hastiest, the craziest, the tastiest web development treats coming in hot. Here is Wes, Barracuda, Bos, and Scott, El Toro Loco, Tolinski.

The Barracuda and the the El Toro Loco was hilarious.

Yeah. I my favorite thing about that one was the airplane, sound. Here I got my El Toro Loco sign.

Shout out to AeroType. AeroType is a a a type foundry.

And, Steven over there did this by hand for me. It was really cool.

Did you guys come who came up with, El Toro Loco and Barracuda?

I did. I I remember messaging Scott being, like, we need something funny to call you. I think I'd I forget how we came up with the Barracuda and El Toro Loco. I think El Toro Loco came up because that like, that's a actual monster truck. It's a monster truck. Yeah. Yeah.

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my wife. And then Courtney's face while I'm saying that, she's just like she's so, like, what are you saying right now?

Why do I I'm holding a drill?

Hell, yeah.

Must've been the sickest person. Look at how disgusted she is with you. She's

She's not stoked yet. She's like, what are you saying right now?

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Oh my god.

These are so ridiculous.

The pizza one is good too. Sorry. I'm just gonna play these.

Pizza.

Insane how many times we've said pizza. I guess we did the pizza video, but We did a pizza video. Yeah. That's so funny. Oh my God. Oh man.

I have so many of these and all I want to do is just download like other people's YouTube videos as well and make supercuts of, of them.

That's just so good. Oh, I Scott do the AI one for a couple minutes.

Vercel, like, fourth one, it tiles them.

Mhmm. So it tries to find words that are the same length, and then it plays them over top of each other. You kinda hear them in harmony.

I do like the harmony. That is very funny.

Okay.

Well, Wes, we're we're coming up on an hour and twenty some minutes.

Is there anything else you wanted to hit? I don't think so. I think thanks everybody for tuning in. This has been a wild thousand episodes. I can't believe that I get to do this as my job. It's super fun.

And, like, this wouldn't be anything without people who tune in every single week and leave comments and give us suggestions and tell us to stop using the stupid monster truck intro.

Wes. Thank you so much, everybody. Sincerely, man, and a thousand. Sanity wait for episode a thousand and one. So, I I think I'm just excited to do this podcast. I'm not more excited to do it every single day than I was when we first started. So I think that's testament to, the the joy it is to work with all of y'all. And, you know, CJ joining the team, it's been amazing to have you as a part of this group. And, Wes, man, it it's, I don't think I've ever once been like, I Scott record a podcast with Wes today. I'm not it's, like, always just, like, a joy to hang out, you know, with your buddy talking about the stuff you love. So Just shooting the shit about the web.

I love it. It's good stuff. Cool. Thanks for thanks for hiring me. Thanks for having me, guys. It's been great. Welcome. Here here's to 1,000 more.

1,000 more. Alright.

Peace. Peace. Oh, we should've done a peace, Supercut.